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hoakley February 15, 2023 Macs, Technology

Controlling Login and Background Items in Ventura

Prior to Ventura, control of Login Items was rudimentary and limited. Most of them weren’t exposed to the user at all, and those you were allowed to see were buried in a tab only displayed for Admin users in the Users & Groups preference pane. Ventura changes this by giving fuller access, but for many of the items listed it’s only more frustrating. It’s even worse for some users, who are repeatedly troubled by spurious notifications about adding Login or Background Items at every startup. This article explains what’s going on, and how you can regain control.

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Ventura’s new Login Items is misnamed from the start, as they also include Background Items. If you see lots of notifications immediately after you log in, those identified as either Login or Background Items are originating from these settings, in System Settings > General > Login Items.

Login Items are apps started automatically by launchd when that user logs in, and continue running until you quit that app manually or log out again. They normally help the system to run other, often faceless, apps and services automatically.

Background Items are processes started and managed by launchd according to property lists normally (but no longer exclusively) installed in LaunchAgents and LaunchDaemons folders in either the top-level Library folder, or that inside your Home folder. These should be faceless services that interact with apps and other software, including Login Items, to provide them with services. For example, when an app has to perform tasks as root, a suitably privileged helper may be run in the background for the purpose.

While you can add your own apps and more as Login Items, and configure tasks to be run in the background, most of these are installed by regular apps you install into the main Applications folder. When you run them for the first time, they configure the support files they need, and then appear as Login and Background Items. The way that apps do this has changed in Ventura, and recent versions should start using those newer methods. For the time being, though, most apps will continue using the traditional and complex approach. This change may explain some of the problems arising now.

System Settings

There are two distinct sections in the Login Items settings: at the top is a list of all Login Items currently recognised, and below is the list of Background Items.

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Login Items

To add an app as a new Login Item, click the + button and select it. To remove a Login Item, select it in the list and click the – button to delete it. It really is that simple, although removing a Login Item installed by an app is likely to affect what it can do, and how it works. In this case, the Login Item shown starts a helper app for Carbon Copy Cloner; without that, the app loses some of its functionality.

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If you want to log in without Login Items being started automatically, press and hold the Shift key when you click on the Log In button, and keep it held until the Dock appears. Existing items won’t be opened until you log in again.

Background Items

If your Mac has been in use some years, or has been migrated from an older system, you’re likely to see many Background Items listed here. However, your control over them is limited and may even be illusory. There are no convenient + or – buttons to change the list, and all you can do is turn them off and on. If you try disabling some of them, you may see that they’re automatically re-enabled. Neither does fiddling with those controls help the problem of all those notifications.

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Worse still, many of those listed appear unidentifiable. A few have Info buttons, which should at least reveal where they are on your Mac, but that often doesn’t help much, and the most enigmatic don’t have that luxury.

If you do work out which app owns a Background Item and manage to uninstall or remove it, you’ll also notice that the Background Item doesn’t get removed from this list. This is because removed items are only purged during routine maintenance by Service Management, and that normally happens during the night, provided that your Mac is left running and awake. If you do make any changes affecting the list of Background Items, don’t expect to see them until the following morning.

Background problems

Background Items aren’t likely to cause problems on a shiny new Apple silicon Mac that hasn’t been migrated from a previous system, unless you install software which didn’t follow the old rules, let alone the new ones. The best solution then is to thoroughly remove or uninstall that software, and install something more up-to-date and better behaved.

It’s Macs with a longer history, perhaps inherited by migration, that are more likely to annoy you with spurious notifications, and to contain bizarre and unidentifiable Background Items.

The nuclear solution is to blow the whole lot away, and start from scratch, but if you don’t then delete those old apps and their components, including property lists and support files tucked away in Application Support, LaunchAgents and LaunchDaemons folders in Library folders, then many will return to haunt you. To remove all third-party Login Items and reset to installation defaults, you can use the undocumented command
sudo sfltool resetbtm
This uses a command tool originally intended to manage the Shared File List, which seems to have gained additional features covering Service Management, although its man page hasn’t caught up yet and the most help you’ll get is from its usage info.

A better and more systematic approach is to obtain a detailed listing of all those Background Items, and uninstall or delete those you no longer need, or are just old and unnecessary. For this, you need a BTM dump, using another undocumented option to the sfltool command:
sudo sfltool dumpbtm > ~/Documents/btmdump.text
to write it to the text file btmdump.text in your Documents folder. This file is also invaluable if you’re going to nuke Login Items in a reset, as it provides a record of what you might need to restore afterwards.

BTM dump

This lists full Service Management information for every item currently being managed, by user ID. Normally, the two important user IDs would be 0 for root and 501 for the primary admin user, but here the first list, with a UID of -2, appears to be a composite covering most Background Items. You should also check those for the current user, such as 501. A typical entry might be:
#28:
UUID: 58AA238A-CE72-4A09-BB6B-627A0D51CBC0
Name: com.microsoft.autoupdate.helper
Developer Name: Microsoft AutoUpdate
Team Identifier: UBF8T346G9
Type: curated legacy daemon (0x90010)
Disposition: [enabled, allowed, visible, notified] (11)
Identifier: com.microsoft.autoupdate.helper
URL: file:/// Library/LaunchDaemons/com.microsoft.autoupdate.helper.plist
Executable Path: /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/com.microsoft.autoupdate.helper
Generation: 3
Assoc. Bundle IDs: [com.microsoft.autoupdate2 ]
Parent Identifier: Microsoft AutoUpdate

When removing Background Items, this gives the location of the Property List used by launchd to load them, as the URL, and the location of the executable that is loaded. The Developer Name given is taken from the code signing certificate, and has been criticised as being confusing when presented to users in dialogs.

The Disposition field is probably most relevant to identifying those causing problems, as it should reflect the status of that entry in the Login Items list, and whether the user has been notified. Sadly, there doesn’t appear to be any way to change or correct those, at least using the tools currently available.

Finally, remember that any changes you make to these items won’t be reflected in the Launch Items lists until Service Management maintenance has been run overnight.

While weeding out old software and its Background and Launch Items becomes much easier with the aid of a BTM dump, at the end of your work you may still suffer some notifications about them following login. At least those should be fewer in number.

Key points

  • Login Items contains two lists: Login Items, which are under your control, and Background Items, which can only be turned on and off.
  • Background items are mostly controlled using Property Lists traditionally installed in LaunchAgents and LaunchDaemons folders.
  • Ventura introduces a new scheme for managing Launch and Background Items.
  • Removing old software responsible for Background Items is best performed with the aid of a BTM dump.
  • Obtain a BTM dump before resetting Launch Items to installation defaults.

Further reading

Apple’s traditional approach (2016)
New Service Management scheme

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  1. 1
    Alan B on February 15, 2023 at 8:06 am
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    A most useful article. Notifications about VMware Fusion has been a particular problem when I log in. However having removed it completely now (in favour of Liviable), that particular problem has gone away.

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      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 8:53 am
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      Thank you. Judging by the number of reports, something isn’t right in VMware’s background items.
      Howard

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    • 3
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 12:44 pm
      Reply

      Thank you.
      Howard.

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  2. 4
    charlie on February 15, 2023 at 8:11 am
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    Thanks Howard. Learned something new today (BTM Dump).

    This issue came up recently when I and others noticed unknown osascripts in “Allow in the Background” with “Item from unidentified developer”. I was able to figure it out by applying some grep-fu to LaunchAgents and LaunchDaemons folders and looking at the file names of the plist files it found. Turns out a good amount of the osascripts were moldy turds that hadn’t been cleaned up.

    I’m surprised there isn’t a system maintenance script that cleans these up when the app that installed them is no longer present.

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    • 5
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 8:54 am
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      Thank you.
      Howard

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    • 6
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 12:43 pm
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      Thank you.
      Howard.

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  3. 7
    Jerry on February 15, 2023 at 10:50 am
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    Good information again. Was just thinking again of another thing – SilentKnight while helpful it makes no sense including major updates in the software list for automatic installation – I know one can install other updates manually in SilentKnight, but guess you can count the users on one finger that want to install also a new system version with SilentKnight … .

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    • 8
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 12:39 pm
      Reply

      Thank you.
      It’s completely off-topic but the issue of updates has been debated here at length and repeatedly. The bottom line is:
      – there’s no way to obtain a list of only non-macOS updates, so all lists contain both mixed together
      – lists provided can’t be parsed robustly to distinguish different updates without errors
      – the solution is for SilentKnight to have a wide range of options, which it does, if you care to read its Help reference, which hardly anyone can be bothered to
      – so now, instead of users bombarding me with complaints that they inadvertently installed an update they didn’t want, they now bombard with emails complaining that SilentKnight didn’t install updates, because they unintentionally disabled it
      – the moral is never give software away, and charge for support.
      Howard.

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      • 9
        Jerry on February 15, 2023 at 12:42 pm
        Reply

        Sorry, just did not find any relevant place to comment on. I understand your points. So I am happy with what you offer as it is! Just thought maybe there was some other reasons for why it worked like it did.

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  4. 10
    andynormancx on February 15, 2023 at 12:11 pm
    Reply

    When I first upgraded to Ventura I had none of the problems other people were having with endless notifications about background items.

    Then I made the mistake of deciding to use the Allow in Background settings to stop a few things that I didn’t want running. So I disabled it for Adobe Creative Cloud, Microsoft Edge and Steam.

    That was a mistake…

    Soon afterwards I started getting notifications telling me that Steam and Edge would like to run background items (but not for Adobe Creative Cloud for some reason). The notifications kept coming.

    So I thought, I give in, I’ll renable them. But that didn’t help.

    I am still getting mutiple notificatons each day telling me that Steam and Edge have background items 😕

    I want/need these apps installed, so I guess I’m now stuck waiting for either Apple or the app developers to change something to stop the notifications happening ?

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    • 11
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 12:40 pm
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      Have you looked at the BTM dump?
      Howard.

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      • 12
        andynormancx on February 15, 2023 at 12:57 pm
        Reply

        I have, I tried removing the plists for those, but as soon as I run the apps the plists get recreated and presumably registered.

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        • 13
          hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 4:52 pm

          Yes: running an app will normally do that. If you want the property lists to stay removed, you have to remove (or not use) the app. I am explaining more tomorrow morning.
          Howard.

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      • 14
        andynormancx on February 15, 2023 at 6:59 pm
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        Argh, I think my Mac must have heard me complaining about it.

        I installed 13.2.1, restarted and now it is telling me about a new background item for “osascript” 👎

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        • 15
          hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 8:20 pm

          Time for a BTM dump, I think.
          Howard.

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  5. 16
    frpsr on February 15, 2023 at 12:29 pm
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    Knowing very little of the interactions of Software & Operating systems the angst incurred with unsolicited daily notification may require a fresh install of the OS and a one by one reinstall of relied upon data . Reading suggestions that include , for myself , obscure if quotidian acronyms lays a mountain on top of irritations from observed , to undefined . Reading observations while puzzling out the meaning leaves a Gordian resolution with the clarity of a new born .
    Suggestions discovered in frustration . FRPSR

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    • 17
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 12:42 pm
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      I can spare you the trouble of reinstalling macOS: that won’t help. All it does it provide you with exactly what you’ve got already.
      Have you looked at a BTM dump?
      Howard.

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      • 18
        frpsr on February 15, 2023 at 2:54 pm
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        Saying a clean , or fresh , install with a one by one application of items recreates the same tedious notification honorifics is sobering . Reading about BTM management will do , thank you . FRPSR .

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  6. 19
    CarAnalogy on February 15, 2023 at 3:01 pm
    Reply

    Thanks for explaining how to do the BTM dump. I had two login items listed only as ‘sh’ with the info button unhelpfully showing me sh in the bin folder. BTM dump showed which application put the shell script there, even though in the list it just shows as ‘unidentified developer.’

    I really hope Apple reads your blog, you consistently point out real areas where Apple can make improvements with lots of actionable information.

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    • 20
      Duncan on February 15, 2023 at 3:37 pm
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      “I really hope Apple reads your blog, you consistently point out real areas where Apple can make improvements with lots of actionable information.”

      I read about problems/annoyances like this, and I’m left wondering if Apple’s developers actually use their own OS and software for day-to-day tasks. (Actually, this applies to many companies that release half-baked or ill-considered products.) Or do they live in some isolated environment where their configurations never vary from whatever comes fresh out of the box on day one?

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      • 21
        hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 4:54 pm
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        Thank you. Hopefully tomorrow morning’s article explains why these problems are occurring now. In many cases, it may be the fault of the app and not macOS.
        Howard.

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    • 22
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 4:52 pm
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      Thank you.
      Howard.

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  7. 23
    Simon on February 15, 2023 at 3:23 pm
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    Does anybody have an idea what “OSMessageTracer” is supposed to do? It appears to be from Apple, but at the same time it’s being listed (BTM) as “legacy daemon” and it’s older than this M1 Pro MBP. It’s coming from
    /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.installer.osmessagetracing.plist
    Safe to remove?

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    • 24
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 3:25 pm
      Reply

      Where’s its binary located?
      Howard

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      • 25
        Simon on February 15, 2023 at 3:31 pm
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        Good catch! It’s in
        /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/OSInstaller.framework/Resources/OSMessageTracer
        so I guess that means it’s part of macOS and can’t be removed.

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        • 26
          hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 3:32 pm

          Correct.
          Unless it’s giving you serious grief, I’d let that be.
          Howard

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        • 27
          Simon on February 15, 2023 at 7:33 pm

          Thank you, Sir. As always, your handholding is much appreciated.

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        • 28
          hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 8:20 pm

          Thank you.
          Howard.

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  8. 29
    RalphB on February 15, 2023 at 3:45 pm
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    Once again, a tremendously helpful – and useful – post, Howard. Thank you! This, especially, is what’s frustrating (as you point out): “Worse still, many of those listed appear unidentifiable. A few have Info buttons, which should at least reveal where they are on your Mac, but that often doesn’t help much, and the most enigmatic don’t have that luxury.”
    Some of these have mere developer “people” names. I can identify some of them (from software I have purchased), but some are completely enigmatic. Yesterday, I had one new “background” notification simply called “open.” Open what? for whom/what? Is this an Apple item? or malware? (etc.)
    I will attempt a BTM dump to see if I can identify some ancient cruft.
    But you’re right that Apple needs to help us with more effective tools for cleaning out legacy junk.

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    • 30
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 4:54 pm
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      Thank you.
      Howard.

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    • 31
      Scott on February 15, 2023 at 10:31 pm
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      Just saw a discussion today about “open” on Reddit. From Apple one person claimed.

      Anyone know what this background task is that I just got notified of? Should I be concerned? It’s in /usr/bin from MacOS

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      • 32
        hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 11:04 pm
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        Amazing.
        The open command tool is signed by Apple, and protected by SIP too.
        The important question isn’t whether something’s running it, but what is doing that, which is readily discovered from the BTM dump.
        Howard.

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  9. 33
    hstriepe on February 15, 2023 at 3:45 pm
    Reply

    We should give a shoutout to Lingon, Peter Borg’s most excellent app to handle these items and even help you create new ones all within a simple GUI. I have used it for years and it beats using TextEdit and command line tools. Well worth the small fee.
    Find it and some other treasures here: https://www.peterborgapps.com

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    • 34
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 4:55 pm
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      Thank you: yes, for the moment that’s an excellent tool. As I explain tomorrow, I’m not sure how long that will last, though.
      Howard.

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      • 35
        hstriepe on February 15, 2023 at 5:40 pm
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        Always another angle! Thanks for your sleuthing.

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    • 36
      Milo on February 21, 2023 at 11:51 am
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      Lingon works very well. I use it on my Macs to monitor launchd tasks. There is also KnockKnock from Objective-See. Although it’s more geared towards finding malware and potentially even more confusing if you’re not an expert user.

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    • 37
      josehill-real on February 22, 2023 at 7:44 pm
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      I concur. In my experience so far, I’ve been able to use Lingon to identify all of the mysterious, unidentified Background items on my Mac. Excellent tool.

      LikeLiked by 1 person

  10. 38
    Valdo on February 15, 2023 at 7:36 pm
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    Incredible annoying this thing! On each computer start two Epson notices jumped up although those were disabled in settings. Deleted the related plists and done!

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    • 39
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 8:21 pm
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      So long as that Epson software doesn’t open again and re-install them.
      Howard.

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  11. 40
    prehensileblog on February 15, 2023 at 8:03 pm
    Reply

    Here’s an AppleScript that I’ve been using since even before Lion Mac OS X 10.5 I think. The thing about WordPress is that I can’t really leave it in a format that is working (meaning I don’t know how), but the fix is pretty easy, just replace curly quotes with straight ones.

    –Run the script
    –Select one or more login items from the list and click OK.
    –Choose whether to reveal the login item in the Finder or to remove it from the current login items.
    –See if it works for you! (Tip: try revealing ’em first and if you don’t really want ’em removed after you test removing, just open login items in Users & Groups in System Settings and drag ’em back in there!)

    tell application “System Events”
    activate
    set loginItems to name of every login item
    choose from list loginItems with multiple selections allowed
    end tell
    set theResult to result
    if theResult is false then
    tell me to quit
    else
    activate
    if (count of items of theResult) is not 0 then
    if (count of items of theResult) is 1 then
    display dialog “What do you want to do with” & ¬
    space & every item of theResult & “?” buttons ¬
    {“Cancel”, “Reveal it”, “Remove it”}
    else
    display dialog “What do you want to do with
    the selected login items?” buttons ¬
    {“Cancel”, “Reveal them”, “Remove them”}
    end if
    if button returned of result contains “Remove” then
    repeat with i in theResult
    tell application “System Events”
    delete (every login item whose name is (i as text))
    end tell
    end repeat
    set this_user to (do shell script “id -un”)
    do shell script “killall -u” & space & this_user & space & “cfprefsd”
    do shell script “killall -u root cfprefsd” with administrator privileges
    else if button returned of result contains “Reveal” then
    repeat with i in theResult
    tell application “System Events”
    set loginitempaths to (get the path of every login item)
    repeat with loginitempath in loginitempaths
    if loginitempath contains (i as text) then
    set g to (loginitempath as text)
    end if
    end repeat
    end tell
    set actual_Path to POSIX file g
    tell application “Finder”
    activate
    reveal (actual_Path as text)
    end tell
    end repeat
    end if
    end if
    end if

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    • 41
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 8:21 pm
      Reply

      Thank you.
      Have you tested this in Ventura yet?
      Howard.

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    • 42
      baron on March 10, 2023 at 12:38 am
      Reply

      prehensileblog said on February 15, 2023 at 8:03 pm:
      “The thing about WordPress is that I can’t really leave it in a format that is working (meaning I don’t know how), but the fix is pretty easy, just replace curly quotes with straight ones.”
      There is a second manipulation to perform :
      – Replace n-dash (–) at the beginning of the comment lines by two hyphens (-). Then the script will compile correctly in Script Editor.

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      • 43
        hoakley on March 10, 2023 at 8:57 am
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        Thank you.
        Howard.

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  12. 44
    prehensileblog on February 15, 2023 at 8:19 pm
    Reply

    I tried to use your web site to comment, but the login procedure appeared to work without leaving a comment appeared. I’ll try this way. If you received too many instances, please excuse me.

    Here’s an AppleScript that I’ve been using since even before Lion Mac OS X 10.5 I think. The thing about WordPress is that I can’t really leave it in a format that is working (meaning I don’t know how), but the fix is pretty easy, just replace curly quotes with straight ones. Usually two find replace operations in Script Editor do the job. One for left curly quotes and one for right. In Script Editor, typing the straight quote is default for shift – quote.

    –Run the script –Select one or more login items from the list and click OK. –Choose whether to reveal the login item in the Finder or to remove it from the current login items. –See if it works for you! (Tip: try revealing ’em first and if you don’t really want ’em removed after you test removing, just open login items in Users & Groups in System Settings and drag ’em back in there!)

    tell application “System Events” activate set loginItems to name of every login item choose from list loginItems with multiple selections allowed end tell set theResult to result if theResult is false then tell me to quit else activate if (count of items of theResult) is not 0 then if (count of items of theResult) is 1 then display dialog “What do you want to do with” & ¬ space & every item of theResult & “?” buttons ¬ {“Cancel”, “Reveal it”, “Remove it”} else display dialog “What do you want to do with the selected login items?” buttons ¬ {“Cancel”, “Reveal them”, “Remove them”} end if if button returned of result contains “Remove” then repeat with i in theResult tell application “System Events” delete (every login item whose name is (i as text)) end tell end repeat set this_user to (do shell script “id -un”) do shell script “killall -u” & space & this_user & space & “cfprefsd” do shell script “killall -u root cfprefsd” with administrator privileges else if button returned of result contains “Reveal” then repeat with i in theResult tell application “System Events” set loginitempaths to (get the path of every login item) repeat with loginitempath in loginitempaths if loginitempath contains (i as text) then set g to (loginitempath as text) end if end repeat end tell set actual_Path to POSIX file g tell application “Finder” activate reveal (actual_Path as text) end tell end repeat end if end if end if

    Laine Lee

    >

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    • 45
      hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 8:23 pm
      Reply

      Laine,
      Thank you. Most comments here, particularly long ones like yours, are moderated, and Akismet looks for potential spam. As you’ll see, your first (two) comments did get here, after I had checked them manually and approved them.
      I’m sorry I have to do that, but I’m sure you don’t want to see dozens of spam comments here.
      Howard.

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      • 46
        prehensileblog on February 15, 2023 at 8:32 pm
        Reply

        Thanks, Howard. Sorry you’ve had to deal with the extra instances. I do still use the script in Ventura and it appears to work fine. It’s one of the few scripts for under the hood manipulation that still does. Thanks again! Your blog has helped me a lot.

        Sincerely, Laine Lee

        >

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        • 47
          hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 11:02 pm

          No problems – I’m quite used to it. I value the comments posted here, particularly those like yours that should help others.
          Howard.

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      • 48
        Laine Lee on February 15, 2023 at 9:10 pm
        Reply

        OK, thanks. Accuracy for my post is sort of absent (intimidated by the reply interface, I’m afraid). The script works even in Ventura, but Lion was 10.7, and Leopard was 10.5, and Login items is under General in System Settings. Do I get an award for sloppiest blogger ever? Thanks again.

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        • 49
          hoakley on February 15, 2023 at 11:02 pm

          No problems.
          Howard.

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